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	<title>Comments on: Video of my presentation at Powell’s with Ursula</title>
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		<title>By: Pig Monkey</title>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad someone recorded a video of this event. I meant to head down to Portland for it, but wasn&#039;t able to make it.

Are you familiar with the writings of Daniel Quinn? He is not explicitly an anarchist, but he writes about changing the way we live. During the Q&amp;A part of the video, somebody asked how an anarchist/non-state &quot;utopia&quot; can survive while surrounded by states. It put me in mind of a quote from Quinn. Here he&#039;s talking about civilization/anti-civ, but it can easily be framed as state/non-state:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Civilization isn&#039;t a geographical territory, it&#039;s a social and economic territory where pharaohs reign and pyramids are built by the masses. Similarly, beyond civilization isn&#039;t a geographical territory, it&#039;s a social and economic territory where people in open tribes pursue goals that may or may not be recognizably &quot;civilized.&quot;

You don&#039;t have to &quot;go somewhere&quot; to get beyond civilization. You have to make your living a different way.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think that is something that many people overlook. They think you have to go to out in the desert or atop a mountain or (as in The Disposesed) to the moon. Civilization/the state as geography makes the situation almost hopeless.

Quinn also writes a relevant parable:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Jack and Jill spent some days with their friend Simon on his small sailboat. One morning they woke up to find the boat was sinking.

&quot;What in the world are we going to do?&quot; Jill asked.

&quot;Don&#039;t worry,&quot; said Jack, &quot;Simon&#039;s very ingenious.&quot;

Simon called to them, &quot;Come on, we&#039;ve got to abandon ship.&quot;

Jill was alarmed, but Jack reassured her that Simon wouldn&#039;t let them down.

&quot;We&#039;re only a hundred yards from shore,&quot; Simon said. &quot;Let&#039;s go!&quot;

&quot;But how are we going to save ourselves?&quot; the couple wanted to know.

&quot;We&#039;re going to swim for it, of course!&quot; Seeing Jack&#039;s look of disappointment, Simon asked him what was wrong.

Jack said, &quot;I was hoping you could find a way of translating us directly ashore, &lt;em&gt;without our having to get wet&lt;/em&gt;.&quot;

An early reader expressed the same disappointment with me. He was hoping I&#039;d be able to find a way of translating us directly to our new economic homeland without our having to &quot;get wet&quot; in the Taker economy that surrounds us. The ultimate New Tribal economy (which at best I can only dimly imagine) is the dry land ahead. To reach it while holding ourselves disdainfully aloof from the economy around us would make walking on water seem like a very minor miracle indeed.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I recommend reading the Ishmael trilogy (Ishmael, The Story of B, My Ishmael) plus Beyond Civilization if you have not already! (Both above quotes are from Beyond Civ.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad someone recorded a video of this event. I meant to head down to Portland for it, but wasn&#8217;t able to make it.</p>
<p>Are you familiar with the writings of Daniel Quinn? He is not explicitly an anarchist, but he writes about changing the way we live. During the Q&amp;A part of the video, somebody asked how an anarchist/non-state &#8220;utopia&#8221; can survive while surrounded by states. It put me in mind of a quote from Quinn. Here he&#8217;s talking about civilization/anti-civ, but it can easily be framed as state/non-state:</p>
<blockquote><p>Civilization isn&#8217;t a geographical territory, it&#8217;s a social and economic territory where pharaohs reign and pyramids are built by the masses. Similarly, beyond civilization isn&#8217;t a geographical territory, it&#8217;s a social and economic territory where people in open tribes pursue goals that may or may not be recognizably &#8220;civilized.&#8221;</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to &#8220;go somewhere&#8221; to get beyond civilization. You have to make your living a different way.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think that is something that many people overlook. They think you have to go to out in the desert or atop a mountain or (as in The Disposesed) to the moon. Civilization/the state as geography makes the situation almost hopeless.</p>
<p>Quinn also writes a relevant parable:</p>
<blockquote><p>Jack and Jill spent some days with their friend Simon on his small sailboat. One morning they woke up to find the boat was sinking.</p>
<p>&#8220;What in the world are we going to do?&#8221; Jill asked.</p>
<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t worry,&#8221; said Jack, &#8220;Simon&#8217;s very ingenious.&#8221;</p>
<p>Simon called to them, &#8220;Come on, we&#8217;ve got to abandon ship.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jill was alarmed, but Jack reassured her that Simon wouldn&#8217;t let them down.</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;re only a hundred yards from shore,&#8221; Simon said. &#8220;Let&#8217;s go!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;But how are we going to save ourselves?&#8221; the couple wanted to know.</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8217;re going to swim for it, of course!&#8221; Seeing Jack&#8217;s look of disappointment, Simon asked him what was wrong.</p>
<p>Jack said, &#8220;I was hoping you could find a way of translating us directly ashore, <em>without our having to get wet</em>.&#8221;</p>
<p>An early reader expressed the same disappointment with me. He was hoping I&#8217;d be able to find a way of translating us directly to our new economic homeland without our having to &#8220;get wet&#8221; in the Taker economy that surrounds us. The ultimate New Tribal economy (which at best I can only dimly imagine) is the dry land ahead. To reach it while holding ourselves disdainfully aloof from the economy around us would make walking on water seem like a very minor miracle indeed.
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<p>I recommend reading the Ishmael trilogy (Ishmael, The Story of B, My Ishmael) plus Beyond Civilization if you have not already! (Both above quotes are from Beyond Civ.)</p>
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